UNDERSTANDING, with Jontie

7 Things Charlie Kirk’s Death Reveals About Us

Episode Summary

I reflect on the killing of Charlie Kirk—not to debate his politics, but to examine our reactions. Why do so many of us feel selective empathy, dismissing the pain of others? From my own conflicted response to the larger tribalism shaping our society, I explore how moments like this force us to ask: Who are we, and who do we want to become?

Episode Transcription

I just had to share some thoughts that I've had

about the

shooting and

killing of of Charlie Kirk

and I've taken a few days

because I really wanted to think about this

because a man's life was taken

and I think all life is sacred and we have to honor it

and so I didn't want to just come out with something

I mean

I think we all have lots of different thoughts on this

I wanna share something I've observed

not in him

but in how people have responded to his death so

and how I I responded

and admittedly I

it's a mixed bag so I

I just wanna kind of

analyze those feelings that we're all going through and

you know what can we learn from this about ourselves

and how can we be better people

I've seen a few general responses

like there's one response

mostly coming from people on the

liberal side of the political spectrum

that

generally says he deserved this

he preached hate he preached violence

and that was his end and they point out how

you know the people who

who followed him the people who loved him

express so much remorse for his death

and they point out

but they have no empathy for those children dying in in

in Palestine in

in Gaza specifically

and then I see

people on the other side of the political spectrum

Republicans, conservatives

who point out that you know

you guys

you have to look in your heart

if you don't have empathy for this man's death

can you really call yourself a human being

and these these these

these same people who are showing empathy for

for Charlie Kirk do not you know

show empathy for the children in Gaza

and so why is this happening right

but before I get into that

I wanna look at my own response because

it's not something I'm very proud of

my initial reaction

I would call it restrained jubilation

this guy preached hate and

there's a certain poetic irony to how he met his end

but then I caught myself it's like

especially when I saw the video

it's one thing to hear that he was killed

seeing him get shot was shocking

and it really put things back in perspective for me

because

I may not like this man

but

shooting him like a like an animal

it it really hit me hard too

it was difficult to watch

it really hurt to to see the depravity

to see how low we can sink right

no matter how much I may hate what he has to say

he was spewing ignorance in my opinion

he was spewing ignorance

and the cure for ignorance is knowledge

not a bullet

I hope

any of us should feel free to speak our mind freely

and not have to worry about being shot

not worry about being killed because of our thoughts

if we don't like what somebody has to say

respond to them

go you start speaking about what you believe

that's the answer

but when we respond and we feel this jubilation

this even if it's a restrained jubilation

for the death of another human being

we have to look inside ourselves and think

what's going wrong

and that's really what I want to concentrate on today

you know why are these

there are these dramatically different responses

why is there this selective empathy

because both sides point this out

people on the right point out that the left oh

you have selective empathy

people on the left point out to the right oh

you have selective empathy

and the truth is we all have selective empathy

and it's not a good thing

and there's one I see one cure for that

why do I think we have this selective empathy

I believe it comes from this increasing tribalism that

that we're all falling victim to

my side versus your side us versus them

this mentality breeds this kind of behavior

and what happened to me is

I caught myself in the midst of that

I was like you know

I also lacked empathy for someone

I disagreed with I I felt some joy in their side

losing someone

and that is for me

I found myself being disgusted

I found myself you know

especially when I watched the video

it's like this is not right

this is not right so what

what stopped me what stopped me are my values

you know this is something

I've tried

to live my life according to a certain set of values

and judge myself according to those values

and correct myself when I fall outside of those values

and I I worry for us as a society

it

the fact that we do have this selective empathy

means that

all of us are losing our sense of right and wrong

good and evil and it

it calls for some real introspection

I don't wanna litigate Charlie Kirk or his beliefs now

everybody has their opinions

but one thing he talked about was

my tribe my group are right

and everybody else is wrong

and that's what he dedicated his life to

explaining what he believed

his worldview

and then arguing with everybody who disagreed with him

making them look stupid making them look ridiculous

there wasn't this process of

you know let me truly learn from you and

you know maybe you'll learn from me

he says those words

but he actually doesn't act on those words

which does say something about us

it it does indicate that human beings

for all our shortcomings

for all the shortcomings in this

like I said this

this tribalism that we're

we're really falling victim to today

we have to rationalize our side according to values

right we'll say

you guys have no empathy

therefore we have empathy

right and

and and it goes both

it's going both ways

each side sees the other side is not having empathy

not having compassion not having understanding

and it's true both sides are right

each side has empathy and understanding for their side

but they don't have empathy and understanding

for the other side

but then they rationalize that they're right

because the other side is wrong

because the other side is wrong

we're right

this thinking that if the other side is wrong

then I have to be right

that that's flawed logic

you know the other side be

can be wrong and you can be wrong

the other side can be right

and you can be right

you could just be looking at the same situation

from different perspectives

and so there's this false thinking going on and

and that's kind of what I wanna get into next which is

if we want to overcome this there's there's

there's values that we live by

but then there's also this internal balance

we have a very emotional part to ourselves that

that feels a visceral reaction

so I felt two visceral reactions

the first was this man who I disliked dying

being taken away

through violent means that he himself espoused

then when I saw him how he died

there was another visceral reaction

and then my mind had to reconcile all these feelings

all these thoughts and so I used values to

to wade through

these feelings these thoughts

in the end I

I concluded like the

he's a human being he didn't deserve this

it is life it is sacred

that's my belief

I hope we take some time to really look inside

to do some introspection

to really understand who we are at at

at this time and who do we want to be going forward

because the kind of world we're in right now

is one that Charlie Kirk himself was advocating for

he he specifically said I

he does not believe in empathy

he doesn't believe in empathy

and that seems to be the world

we're creating

and if we really truly despise what this man stood for

then I think we really need to make it a point to

understand

ourselves

understand

are we more like him than we care to admit

are we really

maybe we're just the other side of that coin

of that anti empathy coin that says

I have empathy for my side

but not not

not for those who I disagree with

not for those who are who are racist

or or support racists

or are intolerant or support people who are intolerant

because what I've realized is

you know

I may dislike him because he's advocating these things

because he knows better

at least that's what I'm assuming

but the people who follow him have real grievances

I'm Muslim I'm Circassian

my my my

my parents and grandparents immigrated to this country

but another part of my background is rural

upstate New York people who feel forgotten

who feel disenfranchised who feel

feel like the world really doesn't care about them

and so here are these people who come along and say

you know what you're not evil

the world criticizes White Christians but

we're not that bad you know

we built the society that people come to

our ancestors built the society that

that people come to fleeing their own

their own you know

ethnic and religious groups

so where's all this criticism coming from

and I think we need to be more empathetic

I think we need to be more understanding

not of people like us not of people who agree with us

but people who disagree with us

people who even are outright hostile towards us

because there's something there

there's a pain there's a trauma

there's there's something going on in their life that

that is causing them to be angry

it's easy to look at the other

and only see the negative

but those people taught me right from wrong

you know rural upstate

New York taught me how to be a moral

good person so when I see rural people

you know I don't see evil

the vast majority of all these groups I belong to

are good they are good people

and often many of them are traumatized

and what's happening is

we're taking out our traumas on each other

we're taking out our fears and angers on each other

and that's why I really don't like leaders

like Charlie Kirk because they focus our our

our trauma our energy on hating the other

on mistrusting the other on

on on

on making the other evil and us good

and the world isn't that simple

and in in painting ourselves as victims

and others as evil perpetrators

we rationalize our own evil

the the

the people who join al Qaeda and ISIS

they are traumatized they are victims

and so they see the entirety of the West as their enemy

and they rationalize any kind of evil against them

those poor

rural people who feel forgotten and left behind

they see liberals they see immigrants

as people who have taken away their opportunity

and they've therefore

they are the enemy they and

and they have victimized rural America

white Christian America and so they've rationalized

hating them they've rationalized fearing them

they've rationalized taking their anger out

on them

I do want us to

look at what's happening take a step back

step outside of our emotional

you know that our heated emotional state

step back from

our anger our fear

and really try to reframe

how people have told us to look at the situation

maybe it's not the right way

maybe that's leading to this world

where we lack empathy for each other

because the right both the right and the left are

are right there is a

a lack of empathy

and we have to understand that this I

I fundamentally believe that most

if not all societal problems

stem from problems on the individual level

if we fix what's in us

then we can build stronger families

build stronger communities

build a stronger society

but it starts with us and situations like this

situations like this assassination

really are a a time for introspection

a time to really look at ourselves like

why do I feel the way I feel?

am I living up to who I wanna be?

who am I? who do I wanna be?

what are my values? what are those values I live by

that I will not compromise for anything?

it's it's times like this that

define who we are

right

life is constantly asking us that question

who are we?

who are you? who am I?

and it's it's the

those emotional reactions we have

it's those decisions that we make

those those words that we utter that show who we are

so if someone dies and we go on social media

and we say yeah

this man deserved it this man was evil

and he got what he deserved

that may say something about him

but it also says something about us

and this is the time to really take a few minutes and

decide who we are

decide who we want to be

I hope something here made sense

I hope something here touched your heart

because it's it's been a

it's been a crazy few days

I have to admit like I

I never thought I would have such a strong

emotional reaction to this

and such conflicting feelings about this

and you know

I've spent a couple days trying to process this

and now I'm really sharing what

the kind of thoughts I had around this issue

my own feelings my own

you know

how values have helped me kind of navigate this

and I hope something resonates

and I I love to hear what

you know how the

these last few days have been for you

and how you've processed this and

you know how

how you think we move forward from here

but thanks for listening

and I wish you guys always the best bye